sfspark.org: Deepak Thakral Interview

you all right hello everybody i'm alexi all right hello everybody i'm alexi Crowborough the organizer of SF spark Crowborough the organizer of SF spark and actually this time it's a part of and actually this time it's a part of the cognitive frameworks festival is a the cognitive frameworks festival is a citywide series of meetups we start on citywide series of meetups we start on Mondays use it today and have it all Mondays use it today and have it all around the city it's College spark is around the city it's College spark is data pipelines for machine learning and data pipelines for machine learning and AI and here are chartboost with Deepak AI and here are chartboost with Deepak tocrawl who is a VP of Oracle engine tocrawl who is a VP of Oracle engine earring here and the service is very earring here and the service is very interesting stuff Deepika tell us about interesting stuff Deepika tell us about Buddhas sure so Chad booth is the Buddhas sure so Chad booth is the world's largest monetization platform world's largest monetization platform for gaming audiences we have our SDK for gaming audiences we have our SDK which is basically a piece of code for which is basically a piece of code for mobile game developers in over 300,000 mobile game developers in over 300,000 apps so my a percent of the top ios and apps so my a percent of the top ios and android developers use our sdk solution android developers use our sdk solution for monetization which basically means for monetization which basically means that they utilize us to show ads mostly that they utilize us to show ads mostly video as playable ads interstitial ads video as playable ads interstitial ads and they make money to that right and so and they make money to that right and so we have all these 90% of the top closing we have all these 90% of the top closing ios and android apps on one side we also ios and android apps on one side we also have some of the largest gaming studios have some of the largest gaming studios like EA like EA Zynga big fish casino Kane running ads Zynga big fish casino Kane running ads to drive user acquisition and to drive to drive user acquisition and to drive app installs so we see somewhere between app installs so we see somewhere between 700 million to a billion unique devices 700 million to a billion unique devices each month so these are basically like each month so these are basically like the monthly active users we see on our the monthly active users we see on our network which gives us unprecedented network which gives us unprecedented scale and since is the performance scale and since is the performance driven ad network we really I would I driven ad network we really I would I always say that you know while it looks always say that you know while it looks to people they're an ad network but to people they're an ad network but really behind the scenes they're a big really behind the scenes they're a big data shop because we utilize we harvest data shop because we utilize we harvest all the data that we see in terms of all the data that we see in terms of billions of events like impressions and billions of events like impressions and clicks then installed and post install clicks then installed and post install data to utilize that and the utilize data to utilize that and the utilize technologies like Scala for our ad technologies like Scala for our ad serving and utilize spark for a complete serving and utilize spark for a complete class you know the cluster computing to class you know the cluster computing to really understand and design the right really understand and design the right models to make predictions about which models to make predictions about which is the right ad to show to the right is the right ad to show to the right person at the right time a billion person at the right time a billion devices certainly something doesn't devices certainly something doesn't right so this is this really cool and I right so this is this really cool and I mean I knew sure boost for a long time mean I knew sure boost for a long time you know turbos is a player in the you know turbos is a player in the community community been at all the sherbet offices are been at all the sherbet offices are obvious et so it's really good to be obvious et so it's really good to be back right then see you guys the doctors back right then see you guys the doctors part because I think that just happened part because I think that just happened right during this period of time but right during this period of time but kind of before we kind of dig a bit into kind of before we kind of dig a bit into that so at Jack I think we talked about that so at Jack I think we talked about this is kind of an elephant in the room this is kind of an elephant in the room because it still seems to be the main because it still seems to be the main earner on the internet right and some earner on the internet right and some people say Google is just a tech company people say Google is just a tech company right and so essentially it generates right and so essentially it generates the most income but it's not as much the most income but it's not as much talked about AI and other things so why talked about AI and other things so why do you think is that is it because a VC do you think is that is it because a VC investment level of the technology is investment level of the technology is mostly known or the rate of innovation mostly known or the rate of innovation so down or what like I think what we've so down or what like I think what we've seen is there was a time derivative is seen is there was a time derivative is an explosion of investments in a an explosion of investments in a technology it was new and emerging I technology it was new and emerging I think where I take is now is in a period think where I take is now is in a period of maturity from an industry perspective of maturity from an industry perspective but I actually a lot more innovation but I actually a lot more innovation happening today than it was happening happening today than it was happening before it's just that people have gotten before it's just that people have gotten used to it and like the newer trends used to it and like the newer trends like AR and VR and there's always the like AR and VR and there's always the buzzwords but if you think about where buzzwords but if you think about where the Israel money is being made you know the Israel money is being made you know the global estimates are that the ad the global estimates are that the ad tech industry is basically about 140 tech industry is basically about 140 billion dollars and 2017 that's a lot of billion dollars and 2017 that's a lot of money yeah and even if Google and money yeah and even if Google and Facebook dominate mobile advertising Facebook dominate mobile advertising there is still a lot of money for a there is still a lot of money for a number of players to make and you look number of players to make and you look at chartboost for example we are a niche at chartboost for example we are a niche player in the mobile gaming industry but player in the mobile gaming industry but because of those the depth of the data because of those the depth of the data that we get and the kind of unique that we get and the kind of unique personas we have about beginning user personas we have about beginning user you know we do really well call you know we do really well call ourselves and so this is I think a spec ourselves and so this is I think a spec is a great place which actually shows is a great place which actually shows the application of AI and machine the application of AI and machine learning Big Data scale to make very learning Big Data scale to make very precise like recommendations and they're precise like recommendations and they're very data-driven as to which ad the show very data-driven as to which ad the show to the right person right right now this to the right person right right now this is interesting right and I think there is interesting right and I think there was this mobile a revolution right there was this mobile a revolution right there you guys are kind of started riding out you guys are kind of started riding out of the mobile okay there's only like I of the mobile okay there's only like I don't see mobile mention anymore don't see mobile mention anymore because everything is mumble just because everything is mumble just assumption now that everything is mobile assumption now that everything is mobile right away at the point where a bicycle right away at the point where a bicycle consume mobile first I think for us at consume mobile first I think for us at least like that is the DNA of the least like that is the DNA of the company it was born in a mobile in company it was born in a mobile in advertising world so to us we don't take advertising world so to us we don't take too much about it it's the language too much about it it's the language through which we speak but a lot of through which we speak but a lot of times when we do interact with people times when we do interact with people who are mostly still on desktop and who are mostly still on desktop and knows web you know even though it's all knows web you know even though it's all advertising but mobile in-app advertising but mobile in-app advertising a lot more about performance advertising a lot more about performance because the advertisers only pay us when because the advertisers only pay us when an install happens so there's a huge an install happens so there's a huge incentive for us we don't get paid on incentive for us we don't get paid on impressions or clicks you know we get impressions or clicks you know we get paid on somebody installs the app and paid on somebody installs the app and opens it up and in fact increasingly opens it up and in fact increasingly advertisers actually will care about advertisers actually will care about what is the quality of the user right is what is the quality of the user right is that a pain user is a returning user so that a pain user is a returning user so do as mobile is like yeah you know do as mobile is like yeah you know that's granted like that's the the that's granted like that's the the ecosystem we operated but there's just ecosystem we operated but there's just so much nuance and depth that we are so much nuance and depth that we are always like innovating and figuring of always like innovating and figuring of better ways to optimize it right all better ways to optimize it right all right so I at some point that kind of right so I at some point that kind of looked at some of the app store dynamics looked at some of the app store dynamics and actually I was kind of committed by and actually I was kind of committed by people who who run app store Thursday I people who who run app store Thursday I was really amazed right like they're was really amazed right like they're companies whose only job was to look at companies whose only job was to look at the state of App Store right and kind of the state of App Store right and kind of report on this data and I think that report on this data and I think that like the top earners make so much money like the top earners make so much money there if they somehow you know managed there if they somehow you know managed to kind of get a cup of that that like to kind of get a cup of that that like it's tremendous right so so so they're it's tremendous right so so so they're kind of beautiful in this like what kind of beautiful in this like what small citizen they're like a I guess small citizen they're like a I guess following this wear of this app following this wear of this app ecosystem going sure so the app ecosystem going sure so the app ecosystem globally is about 40 million ecosystem globally is about 40 million dollars so you know that's that's use dollars so you know that's that's use amount of money and it's been growing at amount of money and it's been growing at a at a rapid pace what we see now is a at a rapid pace what we see now is again like more maturity in the market again like more maturity in the market because there was an explosion because there was an explosion the AppStore evolved in 2011 a lot of the AppStore evolved in 2011 a lot of people started to play mobile games and people started to play mobile games and so there was like a rocket stage kind of so there was like a rocket stage kind of a growth but now the market is more a growth but now the market is more maturing the number of gaming users is maturing the number of gaming users is reaching a steady-state the number of reaching a steady-state the number of gaming sessions are reaching a gaming sessions are reaching a steady-state but the time spent playing steady-state but the time spent playing games is still enormous so if you look games is still enormous so if you look around you when you're on the BART ride around you when you're on the BART ride home or you're on your commute or you home or you're on your commute or you look around you to see a lot of people look around you to see a lot of people playing games and that's what we are playing games and that's what we are really counting on so just to give you really counting on so just to give you some statistics there are in the United some statistics there are in the United States about 192 million gamers well if States about 192 million gamers well if you think about the publisher of the you think about the publisher of the United States about 300 million people United States about 300 million people you know 2 out of 3 people are playing you know 2 out of 3 people are playing games right and out of that Alex see 1/3 games right and out of that Alex see 1/3 of them or what we call it like you know of them or what we call it like you know heavy users these people will play heavy users these people will play basically somewhere between like you basically somewhere between like you know five to six hours a week right so know five to six hours a week right so somewhere on like 2025 hours a month somewhere on like 2025 hours a month there are on their games and they are there are on their games and they are very immersed in their games so we are very immersed in their games so we are able to build very rich personas and able to build very rich personas and graphs of their gaming behavior what graphs of their gaming behavior what kind of people like casinos and if they kind of people like casinos and if they like casinos do we also happen to like like casinos do we also happen to like Lea apps some will kind of utilize that Lea apps some will kind of utilize that affinity show apps and recommendations affinity show apps and recommendations or what we think they have a high or what we think they have a high propensity to click upon you say so you propensity to click upon you say so you know and then even from a gaming know and then even from a gaming perspective like people are making these perspective like people are making these games some of these games like casino games some of these games like casino games they need like two to three games they need like two to three million dollars a day from these games million dollars a day from these games so think about it in a month in a year so think about it in a month in a year these are billion-dollar franchises and these are billion-dollar franchises and like companies that are like machines oh like companies that are like machines oh that's a great example like they have that's a great example like they have three or four big titles but they'll three or four big titles but they'll easily make millions of dollars each day easily make millions of dollars each day just from like pinna purchases that just from like pinna purchases that drive so much virtual currency then it's drive so much virtual currency then it's a huge economy right all right looks a huge economy right all right looks like it's it's it's major it's a virtual like it's it's it's major it's a virtual economy right and so now I kind of get economy right and so now I kind of get even better idea where all this big data even better idea where all this big data comes from right and also because you comes from right and also because you guys have this long session times and guys have this long session times and it's as opposed to kind of web ads right it's as opposed to kind of web ads right so you have better so you have better this is sounds like a suitable promotion this is sounds like a suitable promotion learning even better right because you learning even better right because you could look at temporal patterns right could look at temporal patterns right like it look at all kinds of like it look at all kinds of correlations so so now I can see kind of correlations so so now I can see kind of better right so clearly it seems to better right so clearly it seems to spark and I mean I knew that a scale spark and I mean I knew that a scale company can you tell me like how spark company can you tell me like how spark happens how Scala happen like in a white happens how Scala happen like in a white guys found this is a good match the guys found this is a good match the process this kind of data sure I am process this kind of data sure I am we've always liked I did on myself on we've always liked I did on myself on like investing in open source like investing in open source cutting-edge technologies and so for us cutting-edge technologies and so for us arranging team is very acutely like in arranging team is very acutely like in tune with like what's going on in the tune with like what's going on in the environment the ecosystem where we have environment the ecosystem where we have to make the right investments spark ml to make the right investments spark ml makes a good fit given our investments makes a good fit given our investments in machine learning in machine learning nai and the model that we have to build nai and the model that we have to build and given this kind of you know and given this kind of you know computing that we have to do in the computing that we have to do in the right of clusters we need the kind of right of clusters we need the kind of big data scale that we have it just made big data scale that we have it just made a lot of sense for us to invest more in a lot of sense for us to invest more in spark so they can probably tell you a spark so they can probably tell you a lot more about any come winners - like lot more about any come winners - like what are some of the specific use cases what are some of the specific use cases of how we are using spark and you know of how we are using spark and you know on the scholar side we kind of moved on the scholar side we kind of moved from having a much more simpler code from having a much more simpler code base with PHP to move it to scholar base with PHP to move it to scholar again like the functional programming again like the functional programming and some of the aspects of it Len very and some of the aspects of it Len very it's very well to what we're doing with it's very well to what we're doing with a right side solution I noticed multiple a right side solution I noticed multiple human coming to this transition like human coming to this transition like they started it with PHP think excited they started it with PHP think excited for the bunch of PHP and kaboom like I'm for the bunch of PHP and kaboom like I'm not just like a bunch of you know not just like a bunch of you know government said PP and then they move to government said PP and then they move to something else right so actually several something else right so actually several six color so it seems like a is it six color so it seems like a is it because of gdm is it because of whom because of gdm is it because of whom were cast industrial were cast industrial long running servers like what are some long running servers like what are some other advantages with this you know other advantages with this you know probably a good better question for me probably a good better question for me beg to answer but I know that we did beg to answer but I know that we did look at various technology which cook look at various technology which cook you know coding languages to utilize and you know coding languages to utilize and we just felt like Scala was a better fit we just felt like Scala was a better fit for for where we are but some of these for for where we are but some of these decisions previously so salty patel all decisions previously so salty patel all right all right right all right a-and definitely you know with ourselves a-and definitely you know with ourselves whether that's talk following yeah and whether that's talk following yeah and so maybe to tell a little bit about what so maybe to tell a little bit about what attracted you to the tech industry attracted you to the tech industry what's what's really exciting about it what's what's really exciting about it for you sure so for me you know for you sure so for me you know I'm an advertising guy has been building I'm an advertising guy has been building ad platforms and advertising products ad platforms and advertising products for the last ten years plus so kind of for the last ten years plus so kind of evolved from like having a lot of evolved from like having a lot of solutions which cater mostly to desktop solutions which cater mostly to desktop because that's where the primary traffic because that's where the primary traffic was and then my career trajectory is was and then my career trajectory is kind of in a way followed by the kind of in a way followed by the eyeballs are gone eyeballs are gone we've gone from like mobile from we've gone from like mobile from basically desktop to mobile and the basically desktop to mobile and the mobile web and then to mobile in app you mobile web and then to mobile in app you know clearly the opportunities that have know clearly the opportunities that have emerged has been on mobile in app emerged has been on mobile in app monetization people spend 60 70 % of the monetization people spend 60 70 % of the time of the time on mobile within apps time of the time on mobile within apps so how do we like more capitalize those so how do we like more capitalize those those interactions between users and those interactions between users and their apps so it was kind of a natural their apps so it was kind of a natural fit for me to connect evolve and go and fit for me to connect evolve and go and both for companies where it's all about both for companies where it's all about advertising but it's also about apps and advertising but it's also about apps and then of course gaining is fun I play then of course gaining is fun I play games we all play games that kind of games we all play games that kind of makes sense to kind of figure out how do makes sense to kind of figure out how do we do better at gaming monitor days all we do better at gaming monitor days all right so it's kind of someone who right so it's kind of someone who follows attacking each other's was going follows attacking each other's was going to be next to be next where is this going you know like what where is this going you know like what after apps is just going to evolved after apps is just going to evolved inside apps is going to be in the eye inside apps is going to be in the eye I always have yeah I you know absinthe I always have yeah I you know absinthe VR like the dis have any feeling was VR like the dis have any feeling was going I think I think there's some very going I think I think there's some very interesting trends that tell us as to interesting trends that tell us as to you know what's going to emerge I you know what's going to emerge I definitely see you know AR and like definitely see you know AR and like especially like more than VR AR lends especially like more than VR AR lends itself very well to like the gaming itself very well to like the gaming experience we saw that with Pokemon go experience we saw that with Pokemon go rest but I also see like more immersive rest but I also see like more immersive experiences will come in both virtual experiences will come in both virtual reality and augmented that'll allow reality and augmented that'll allow users to really experience the game users to really experience the game right and to become part of the game right and to become part of the game they can choose to be a persona in the they can choose to be a persona in the game they can say I want to be this game they can say I want to be this character or that character and then how character or that character and then how the game experience develops and as that the game experience develops and as that happens I'm sure companies in the happens I'm sure companies in the advertising world will figure out how to advertising world will figure out how to make ads more enticing but more a part make ads more enticing but more a part of the ecosystem then just being like a of the ecosystem then just being like a static kind of display like given video static kind of display like given video if you think of it it's great to have if you think of it it's great to have mobile video within these games but mobile video within these games but they're more like a passive form medium they're more like a passive form medium so with playable ads so with playable ads we made a lot more interactive I think we made a lot more interactive I think with VR and AR we'll get even more with VR and AR we'll get even more interactive interactive what I really add kind of fits in and what I really add kind of fits in and blends in very well I the color becomes blends in very well I the color becomes native to the ski yes I definitely see native to the ski yes I definitely see those kind of trends I think you know those kind of trends I think you know what Google sign to do with like you what Google sign to do with like you know interesting - and half an apple know interesting - and half an apple with like happening so I think we'll get with like happening so I think we'll get go stage where the the the distance go stage where the the the distance between like an app was a mobile web between like an app was a mobile web will start to just converge and people will start to just converge and people will want to play games and they'll just will want to play games and they'll just play instant games like we see that play instant games like we see that happening with Facebook so I feel like happening with Facebook so I feel like there's some of the friction that's there's some of the friction that's immoral and like looking at an app immoral and like looking at an app downloading it then opening it or start downloading it then opening it or start to kind of go away as html5 gets better to kind of go away as html5 gets better there are some functions which are there are some functions which are related to an app I suspect there'll be related to an app I suspect there'll be some like really heavier you know like some like really heavier you know like apps which I have very clear use cases I apps which I have very clear use cases I will continue to stay but a lot of the will continue to stay but a lot of the casual games stuff will probably move casual games stuff will probably move towards more like a blended environment towards more like a blended environment interesting so just like in the way interesting so just like in the way it'll come full circle to the web where it'll come full circle to the web where it's stateless and they just start where it's stateless and they just start where it was right yeah this is interesting it was right yeah this is interesting but if you have all this richness right but if you have all this richness right yeah I think the good part is like this yeah I think the good part is like this flexibility because we've kind of gone flexibility because we've kind of gone to full circle app developers can make to full circle app developers can make better choices about what is the right better choices about what is the right gaming experience and what's the right gaming experience and what's the right delivery mechanism whether it happens to delivery mechanism whether it happens to be mobile web or app and then let the be mobile web or app and then let the user kind of decide what that is all user kind of decide what that is all right so this is a really good overview right so this is a really good overview and maybe we can wrap up with you know and maybe we can wrap up with you know we're here with meetup is a really good we're here with meetup is a really good friends of the me topic and all the friends of the me topic and all the community what makes it interesting for community what makes it interesting for you to to host meetups what do you you to to host meetups what do you expect from the community and how the expect from the community and how the community kind of can help you guys sure community kind of can help you guys sure so you know we're big fans because we so you know we're big fans because we believe in the community we believe in believe in the community we believe in high tech we believe that you know we high tech we believe that you know we all benefit when we share the knowledge all benefit when we share the knowledge and the wealth and the depth that we and the wealth and the depth that we have it's also great opportunity to get have it's also great opportunity to get our name out there and if there are our name out there and if there are people who are like looking for a career people who are like looking for a career in big data or an attic then you know in big data or an attic then you know we're always looking and hiring people we're always looking and hiring people 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