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so Douglas thanks for amazing talk and I
 

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so Douglas thanks for amazing talk and I
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have few questions and first question
 

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have few questions and first question
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like what do you think is your role in
 

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like what do you think is your role in
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like blockchain economy and what kind of
 

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like blockchain economy and what kind of
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career paths that bring you here to work
 

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career paths that bring you here to work
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in in blockchain are you are you asking
 

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in in blockchain are you are you asking
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my roles personally or so it's up to you
 

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my roles personally or so it's up to you
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maybe like role of the company or all of
 

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maybe like role of the company or all of
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you so I believe what we're trying to do
 

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you so I believe what we're trying to do
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is build a scalable lock chain based on
 

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is build a scalable lock chain based on
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proof of work proof work is the one
 

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proof of work proof work is the one
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thing that we actually know works it's
 

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thing that we actually know works it's
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been tried and proven for a decade or
 

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been tried and proven for a decade or
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more now and so we think that's a really
 

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more now and so we think that's a really
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good foundation to build on and we think
 

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good foundation to build on and we think
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we can make it scale so we and we think
 

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we can make it scale so we and we think
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we can build a level one solution that
 

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we can build a level one solution that
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will scale and all the level to scaling
 

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will scale and all the level to scaling
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solutions will still be perfectly
 

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solutions will still be perfectly
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applicable for if you need more
 

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applicable for if you need more
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performance than you get out of the box
 

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performance than you get out of the box
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with with our chain web blockchain as
 

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with with our chain web blockchain as
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far as the like career paths I
 

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far as the like career paths I
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personally got here because I got
 

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personally got here because I got
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interested in Haskell about 10 years ago
 

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interested in Haskell about 10 years ago
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and I just went off and wrote Haskell on
 

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and I just went off and wrote Haskell on
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my own because I was interested and
 

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my own because I was interested and
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enjoyed it and eventually was able to
 

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enjoyed it and eventually was able to
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get a Haskell job about eight years ago
 

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get a Haskell job about eight years ago
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which I was pretty fortunate there were
 

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which I was pretty fortunate there were
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not very many Haskell jobs around at
 

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not very many Haskell jobs around at
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that time and I've been programming
 

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that time and I've been programming
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Haskell ever since and kadena is all all
 

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Haskell ever since and kadena is all all
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high school for everything and so it was
 

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high school for everything and so it was
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a natural place for me to come okay cool
 

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a natural place for me to come okay cool
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and now like a lot of hype around
 

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and now like a lot of hype around
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blockchain so the question is what do
 

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blockchain so the question is what do
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you think what's kind of real business
 

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you think what's kind of real business
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problems that we can solve with
 

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problems that we can solve with
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blockchain technology so as I mentioned
 

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blockchain technology so as I mentioned
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in my talk I feel the core improvement
 

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in my talk I feel the core improvement
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that blockchains gave us was being able
 

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that blockchains gave us was being able
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to make data tamper proof
 

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to make data tamper proof
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so applications where it's important to
 

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so applications where it's important to
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be tamper proof I think are really ideal
 

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be tamper proof I think are really ideal
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for blockchain just to use kind of a I
 

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for blockchain just to use kind of a I
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don't know pop culture example I saw I
 

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don't know pop culture example I saw I
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saw the the TV show billions where they
 

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saw the the TV show billions where they
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falsified some evidence records if that
 

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falsified some evidence records if that
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evidence had been stored digitally in a
 

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evidence had been stored digitally in a
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it couldn't be falsified now I don't
 

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it couldn't be falsified now I don't
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know whether it's it will be cost
 

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know whether it's it will be cost
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effective to use blockchains for that
 

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effective to use blockchains for that
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exact example but I think it's a really
 

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exact example but I think it's a really
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good illustration of the possibilities
 

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good illustration of the possibilities
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if you if you want to have records of a
 

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if you if you want to have records of a
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police interview that can't possibly be
 

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police interview that can't possibly be
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changed after the fact put them in the
 

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changed after the fact put them in the
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blockchain and and you have that so
 

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blockchain and and you have that so
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there's that's just one example it may
 

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there's that's just one example it may
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be it may be a little bit more extreme
 

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be it may be a little bit more extreme
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than most because it's law enforcement
 

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than most because it's law enforcement
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and and that kind of has a little bit
 

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and and that kind of has a little bit
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more weight associated with it but I
 

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more weight associated with it but I
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think there are a number of applications
 

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think there are a number of applications
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that can benefit from not not being able
 

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that can benefit from not not being able
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to tamper with data and I can't even
 

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to tamper with data and I can't even
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begin to think of what all they might be
 

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begin to think of what all they might be
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I think one of the one the main
 

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I think one of the one the main
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characteristics of innovative
 

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characteristics of innovative
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technologies is you really can't predict
 

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technologies is you really can't predict
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where they're gonna be used and and how
 

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where they're gonna be used and and how
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they're gonna actually work out so so I
 

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they're gonna actually work out so so I
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have no idea but I would focus on like
 

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have no idea but I would focus on like
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the core things that block chains do
 

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the core things that block chains do
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that couldn't be done before and one of
 

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that couldn't be done before and one of
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those things is making things tamper
 

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those things is making things tamper
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proof okay thanks and you're talking
 

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proof okay thanks and you're talking
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with a lot of like customers or
 

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with a lot of like customers or
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potential customers so what are their
 

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potential customers so what are their
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qualities about blockchain what is there
 

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qualities about blockchain what is there
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like expectation about technology so one
 

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like expectation about technology so one
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industry that we're talking to is the
 

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industry that we're talking to is the
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supply chain industry and I'm not a
 

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supply chain industry and I'm not a
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supply chain person so I'm definitely
 

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supply chain person so I'm definitely
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out of my element here but my
 

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out of my element here but my
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understanding is that there's lots of
 

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understanding is that there's lots of
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coordinating with each other and one
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business will say oh I shipped this
 

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business will say oh I shipped this
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thing and another business will say I
 

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thing and another business will say I
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took that thing and shipped it for you
 

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took that thing and shipped it for you
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and they need their records to agree
 

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and they need their records to agree
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and there are situations where people
 

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might have an incentive to tamper with
 

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might have an incentive to tamper with
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and blockchains seem like they could be
 

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and blockchains seem like they could be
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a decent application there any any kind
 

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a decent application there any any kind
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kind of like coordination between
 

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multiple entities that don't necessarily
 

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multiple entities that don't necessarily
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want to trust the other entity that's
 

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want to trust the other entity that's
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where this blockchain distributed nature
 

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where this blockchain distributed nature
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you don't have to trust a centralized
 

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you don't have to trust a centralized
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source I think can become useful okay
 

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source I think can become useful okay
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and like as a engineer as a software
 

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engineer who is working with blockchain
 

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was the most technical challenge that
 

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you face it with blockchain technology
 

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you face it with blockchain technology
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oh wow that's a great question
 

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oh wow that's a great question
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I guess just making the the problem that
 

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we're trying to solve making a
 

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we're trying to solve making a
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programming language that can allow us
 

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to write smart contracts that aren't
 

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to write smart contracts that aren't
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buggy and that do what we say that's as
 

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buggy and that do what we say that's as
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incredibly difficult and I'm I'm sure
 

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incredibly difficult and I'm I'm sure
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that it's gonna take a long time to and
 

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that it's gonna take a long time to and
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many many iterations before we we like
 

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many many iterations before we we like
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start to get closer to the solution but
 

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start to get closer to the solution but
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I think that's a really difficult
 

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I think that's a really difficult
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problem and it's it speaks to the the
 

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problem and it's it speaks to the the
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general software problem of you know how
 

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general software problem of you know how
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do we make correct programs if you
 

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do we make correct programs if you
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compare the software industry to other
 

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compare the software industry to other
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hard hard engineering disciplines
 

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software isn't isn't so great in terms
 

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of how reliable our products are and and
 

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of how reliable our products are and and
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how how well they work and you know
 

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how how well they work and you know
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don't break overtime so I think that
 

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don't break overtime so I think that
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there's a whole lot of research to be
 

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done there to just improve the quality
 

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done there to just improve the quality
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of not only smart contract software but
 

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of not only smart contract software but
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software in general okay and like as
 

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engineer what do you think the main
 

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engineer what do you think the main
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skill set of the blockchain specialist
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should have like it for for example for
 

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engineer or business analysts who work
 

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engineer or business analysts who work
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there's there's so many different skills
 

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there's there's so many different skills
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skills are really important you need to
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need to have if you're gonna work on
 

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some like lower level blockchain
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database knowledge like we're
 

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languages we think are a really useful
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thing to or like area of study to draw
 

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from but if you're just using
 

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from but if you're just using
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blockchains and writing smart contracts
 

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on top of them I would say standard
 

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on top of them I would say standard
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software skills being able to think
 

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problem as a sequence of steps and have
 

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problem as a sequence of steps and have
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good well-organized code that's clear
 

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good well-organized code that's clear
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and easy for other people to read just
 

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and easy for other people to read just
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kind of good logical thinking I would I
 

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kind of good logical thinking I would I
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would not particularly recommend like
 

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would not particularly recommend like
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diving in and labeling yourself as one
 

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diving in and labeling yourself as one
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particular technology expert but be able
 

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particular technology expert but be able
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to to learn and and the the only thing
 

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to to learn and and the the only thing
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that we know we are gonna be doing is
 

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that we know we are gonna be doing is
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changing and learning new things now
 

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changing and learning new things now
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because the pace of change is so fast
 

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because the pace of change is so fast
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and so you really have to not get stuck
 

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and so you really have to not get stuck
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in any particular thing that you're
 

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in any particular thing that you're
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comfortable with but be aggressively
 

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comfortable with but be aggressively
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learning learning new things and willing
 

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learning learning new things and willing
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to adopt new technologies as they become
 

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to adopt new technologies as they become
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useful and as a community like what can
 

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useful and as a community like what can
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we do like to prevent blockchain winter
 

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we do like to prevent blockchain winter
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you know to help business like what to
 

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you know to help business like what to
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solve real problems with the blockchain
 

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solve real problems with the blockchain
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that's a good question I think we really
 

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that's a good question I think we really
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need to reduce the the risk associated
 

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need to reduce the the risk associated
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with all of these things we are trying
 

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with all of these things we are trying
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to do that by creating a language that
 

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to do that by creating a language that
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allows you to build contracts with with
 

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allows you to build contracts with with
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more confidence but if people are if
 

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more confidence but if people are if
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there's too much risk then they're not
 

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there's too much risk then they're not
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gonna put their money into these
 

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gonna put their money into these
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contracts and adoptions gonna be slow
 

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contracts and adoptions gonna be slow
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what we want is we want people to be
 

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what we want is we want people to be
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plain and using and trying new things
 

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plain and using and trying new things
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and it's gonna be I think there's gonna
 

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and it's gonna be I think there's gonna
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be some growing pains with how the the
 

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be some growing pains with how the the
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stakes are high there's lots of money on
 

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stakes are high there's lots of money on
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so so there's gonna be that slows things
 

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so so there's gonna be that slows things
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down inherently but we need to figure
 

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down inherently but we need to figure
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out ways of getting both we like that
 

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out ways of getting both we like that
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stakes are high that's great but we
 

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stakes are high that's great but we
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still want to be able to iterate quickly
 

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still want to be able to iterate quickly
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and try new things and experiment and I
 

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and try new things and experiment and I
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think those are those are the important
 

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think those are those are the important
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characteristics that we need to focus on
 

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characteristics that we need to focus on
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ok thanks and last question so what do
 

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ok thanks and last question so what do
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you think about conference so far it's
 

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you think about conference so far it's
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great I actually flew in this morning
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and so I didn't get here right when it
 

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and so I didn't get here right when it
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started I got here like later in the
 

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started I got here like later in the
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morning but I'm really enjoying it it's
 

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morning but I'm really enjoying it it's
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just a gorgeous space here in Amsterdam
 

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just a gorgeous space here in Amsterdam
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I'm liking it a lot ok thank you very
 

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I'm liking it a lot ok thank you very
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