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align:start position:0% it's I mean I think it's still smaller 00:18:22.179 --> 00:18:24.210 align:start position:0% it's I mean I think it's still smaller than<00:18:22.299> say<00:18:22.690> the<00:18:23.380> set<00:18:23.559> of<00:18:23.650> packages<00:18:24.070> that<00:18:24.100> you 00:18:24.210 --> 00:18:24.220 align:start position:0% than say the set of packages that you 00:18:24.220 --> 00:18:25.649 align:start position:0% than say the set of packages that you find<00:18:24.460> it's<00:18:24.640> a<00:18:24.730> the<00:18:24.820> Haskell<00:18:25.179> community<00:18:25.539> which 00:18:25.649 --> 00:18:25.659 align:start position:0% find it's a the Haskell community which 00:18:25.659 --> 00:18:28.320 align:start position:0% find it's a the Haskell community which has<00:18:25.840> lots<00:18:26.500> and<00:18:26.710> lots<00:18:26.860> and<00:18:27.010> lots<00:18:27.070> of<00:18:27.340> little<00:18:28.000> TT 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:28.330 align:start position:0% has 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position:0% all because it turn it turns out it's 00:30:40.909 --> 00:30:42.700 align:start position:0% all because it turn it turns out it's not<00:30:40.970> hard<00:30:41.330> to<00:30:41.539> learn<00:30:41.659> okay<00:30:42.200> I'm<00:30:42.260> all<00:30:42.350> program 00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:42.710 align:start position:0% not hard to learn okay I'm all program 00:30:42.710 --> 00:30:45.669 align:start position:0% not hard to learn okay I'm all program first<00:30:43.580> force<00:30:43.940> March<00:30:44.240> for<00:30:44.990> smart<00:30:45.230> developers 00:30:45.669 --> 00:30:45.679 align:start position:0% first force March for smart developers 00:30:45.679 --> 00:30:47.019 align:start position:0% first force March for smart developers learning<00:30:46.159> a<00:30:46.220> new<00:30:46.309> programming<00:30:46.340> language<00:30:46.730> is 00:30:47.019 --> 00:30:47.029 align:start position:0% learning a new programming language is 00:30:47.029 --> 00:30:48.850 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have you out is a tool called Merlin 00:31:06.770 --> 00:31:09.010 align:start position:0% have you out is a tool called Merlin which<00:31:07.520> gives<00:31:07.850> essentially<00:31:08.630> IDE<00:31:08.870> like 00:31:09.010 --> 00:31:09.020 align:start position:0% which gives essentially IDE like 00:31:09.020 --> 00:31:10.450 align:start position:0% which gives essentially IDE like functionality<00:31:09.649> for<00:31:09.740> oh<00:31:09.830> camel<00:31:10.159> and<00:31:10.279> we've 00:31:10.450 --> 00:31:10.460 align:start position:0% functionality for oh camel and we've 00:31:10.460 --> 00:31:12.840 align:start position:0% functionality for oh camel and we've been<00:31:10.580> using<00:31:10.730> it<00:31:10.909> for<00:31:10.940> some<00:31:11.210> years<00:31:11.360> now<00:31:11.710> and 00:31:12.840 --> 00:31:12.850 align:start position:0% been using it for some years now and 00:31:12.850 --> 00:31:14.950 align:start position:0% been using it for some years now and 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we 00:31:46.149 --> 00:31:46.159 align:start position:0% I think we I'd like to think that we 00:31:46.159 --> 00:31:47.919 align:start position:0% I think we I'd like to think that we provide<00:31:46.309> a<00:31:46.490> lot<00:31:46.700> of<00:31:46.730> value<00:31:46.820> mm-hmm<00:31:47.570> but<00:31:47.809> we 00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:47.929 align:start position:0% provide a lot of value mm-hmm but we 00:31:47.929 --> 00:31:49.630 align:start position:0% provide a lot of value mm-hmm but we also<00:31:48.110> get<00:31:48.409> an<00:31:48.559> enormous<00:31:49.010> amount<00:31:49.279> of<00:31:49.340> value 00:31:49.630 --> 00:31:49.640 align:start position:0% also get an enormous amount of value 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.779 align:start position:0% also get an enormous amount of value from<00:31:50.360> from<00:31:51.200> the<00:31:51.320> oh<00:31:51.350> camel<00:31:51.679> community<00:31:51.980> and<00:31:52.190> to 00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:52.789 align:start position:0% from from the oh camel community and to 00:31:52.789 --> 00:31:54.100 align:start position:0% from from the oh camel community and to see<00:31:52.909> a<00:31:52.940> straightforward<00:31:53.179> thing<00:31:53.450> from<00:31:53.929> the 00:31:54.100 --> 00:31:54.110 align:start position:0% see a straightforward thing from the 00:31:54.110 --> 00:31:55.480 align:start position:0% see a straightforward thing from the team<00:31:54.320> that<00:31:54.500> develops<00:31:54.860> with<00:31:54.980> camel<00:31:55.250> we<00:31:55.370> have 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:55.490 align:start position:0% team that develops with camel we have 00:31:55.490 --> 00:31:58.480 align:start position:0% team that develops with camel we have started<00:31:55.940> recently<00:31:56.649> putting<00:31:57.649> more<00:31:57.980> of<00:31:58.309> our<00:31:58.460> own 00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:58.490 align:start position:0% started recently putting more of our own 00:31:58.490 --> 00:32:01.299 align:start position:0% started recently putting more of our own people<00:31:59.120> working<00:31:59.990> on<00:32:00.260> the<00:32:00.380> compiler<00:32:00.620> mm-hmm 00:32:01.299 --> 00:32:01.309 align:start position:0% people working on the compiler mm-hmm 00:32:01.309 --> 00:32:03.940 align:start position:0% people working on the compiler mm-hmm but<00:32:01.789> the<00:32:01.909> compiler<00:32:02.149> is<00:32:02.450> by<00:32:02.630> and<00:32:02.809> large<00:32:02.950> the 00:32:03.940 --> 00:32:03.950 align:start position:0% but the compiler is by and large the 00:32:03.950 --> 00:32:05.799 align:start position:0% but the compiler is by and large the work<00:32:04.159> of<00:32:04.429> people<00:32:04.730> who<00:32:04.880> do<00:32:05.210> not<00:32:05.299> work<00:32:05.480> at<00:32:05.630> Jane 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:05.809 align:start position:0% work of people who do not work at Jane 00:32:05.809 --> 00:32:07.269 align:start position:0% work of people who do not work at Jane 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