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This is Leon Golink sitt
 

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This is Leon Golink sitt
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and this is Baragarski head of developer
 

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and this is Baragarski head of developer
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relations at taxare. So before we talk
 

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relations at taxare. So before we talk
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about the highlights uh we should talk
 

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about the highlights uh we should talk
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about how it feels right now working
 

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about how it feels right now working
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with AI
 

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with AI
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before even that something is wrong in
 

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before even that something is wrong in
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your customer.
 

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your customer.
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That's right. It's like back to the
 

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That's right. It's like back to the
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future and you have my goggles. That's
 

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future and you have my goggles. That's
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the problem. I knew something was
 

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the problem. I knew something was
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missing in this.
 

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missing in this.
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Now we can talk about AI.
 

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Now we can talk about AI.
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Uh as we just talked in our
 

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Uh as we just talked in our
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presentation, working with AI is
 

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presentation, working with AI is
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tremendously rewarding but
 

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tremendously rewarding but
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frustrating
 

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and frustrating at the same time.
 

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and frustrating at the same time.
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Frust. So it starts with rewarding. Wow,
 

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Frust. So it starts with rewarding. Wow,
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this thing is cool and it becomes very
 

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this thing is cool and it becomes very
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frustrating very fast.
 

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frustrating very fast.
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So uh that's why in our talk we talk a
 

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So uh that's why in our talk we talk a
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lot about how do you take the output
 

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lot about how do you take the output
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from those modern AI tools and turn it
 

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from those modern AI tools and turn it
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into a reliable result. And that's been
 

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into a reliable result. And that's been
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an area of interest for us for the last
 

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an area of interest for us for the last
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almost a year.
 

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almost a year.
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And in the end of the day, the highlight
 

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And in the end of the day, the highlight
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is when this happens. When you not only
 

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is when this happens. When you not only
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feel good about the outcomes of AI, but
 

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feel good about the outcomes of AI, but
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can reason
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that the end result is exactly what you
 

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that the end result is exactly what you
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wanted it to do. This is this is the
 

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wanted it to do. This is this is the
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rewarding part. It's much harder than we
 

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rewarding part. It's much harder than we
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would expect when we just saw this
 

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would expect when we just saw this
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amazing LLM thing for the first time and
 

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amazing LLM thing for the first time and
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we really thought that hey we ask for
 

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we really thought that hey we ask for
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it. It actually does that. The first
 

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it. It actually does that. The first
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vibe coding experiments looked like wow
 

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vibe coding experiments looked like wow
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but then you look closer
 

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but then you look closer
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and it says you're absolutely right. The
 

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and it says you're absolutely right. The
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funny thing it reminds me of the early
 

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funny thing it reminds me of the early
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days of getting into coding like that
 

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days of getting into coding like that
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every engineer gets into coding because
 

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every engineer gets into coding because
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you go I have an idea and I can turn it
 

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you go I have an idea and I can turn it
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into the reality and I think AI done
 

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into the reality and I think AI done
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right can short circuit that cycle and
 

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right can short circuit that cycle and
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allow you to build bigger and more
 

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allow you to build bigger and more
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complex realities. But that that
 

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complex realities. But that that
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endorphin shot when it works and it
 

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endorphin shot when it works and it
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works reliably that's I think what's
 

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works reliably that's I think what's
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rewarding about working with AI at a
 

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rewarding about working with AI at a
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bigger scale than a single human could
 

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bigger scale than a single human could
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do.
 

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Yeah. So it's kind of a cycle you Wow,
 

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Yeah. So it's kind of a cycle you Wow,
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this is exciting. It does what we need.
 

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this is exciting. It does what we need.
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Oh, actually not really. This is very
 

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Oh, actually not really. This is very
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frustrating. And then we fix it. We add
 

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frustrating. And then we fix it. We add
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some guardrails. We add some shared
 

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some guardrails. We add some shared
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understanding, shared context. Oh, this
 

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understanding, shared context. Oh, this
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works. It does exactly what we want. And
 

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works. It does exactly what we want. And
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this is where the real doment kicks.
 

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this is where the real doment kicks.
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You you quoted every single keyword from
 

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You you quoted every single keyword from
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our talk.
 

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our talk.
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That was by design.
 

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That was by design.
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Ah, available on the internet.
 

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Ah, available on the internet.
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Exactly. You go to show
 

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Exactly. You go to show
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notes.taxcar.com, taxcare.com there is a
 

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notes.taxcar.com, taxcare.com there is a
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recording like a video slides all the
 

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recording like a video slides all the
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links everything is right there
 

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links everything is right there
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you can watch it as many times as you
 

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you can watch it as many times as you
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and in different versions we have 30
 

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and in different versions we have 30
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minutes we have 45 we have three hours
 

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minutes we have 45 we have three hours
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depends on your availability you can
 

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depends on your availability you can
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pick and choose when we think about
 

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pick and choose when we think about
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reliability and AI uh I think it's
 

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reliability and AI uh I think it's
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important to understand that AI by
 

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important to understand that AI by
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definition is a stochastic system it's a
 

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definition is a stochastic system it's a
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non-deterministic system every time you
 

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non-deterministic system every time you
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put the same input you get different
 

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put the same input you get different
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outputs and that's desired in that
 

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outputs and that's desired in that
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system so for us reliable able is how do
 

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system so for us reliable able is how do
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you make it repeatable,
 

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you make it repeatable,
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right? So because stochastic
 

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right? So because stochastic
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nondeterministic systems means no
 

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nondeterministic systems means no
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reliability ever. This is what it sounds
 

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reliability ever. This is what it sounds
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like. You will get different results. So
 

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like. You will get different results. So
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what are we even talking about? The
 

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what are we even talking about? The
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answer is yes. Let's see how we can
 

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answer is yes. Let's see how we can
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wrangle it into doing the right thing.
 

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wrangle it into doing the right thing.
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Now right thing and same thing are not
 

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the same things. You might have
 

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the same things. You might have
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something that slightly different but
 

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something that slightly different but
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still right.
 

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still right.
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That's right. When it comes to the
 

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reliability, I think it's important to
 

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reliability, I think it's important to
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look at the history of our industry
 

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look at the history of our industry
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developing from the very 50s when uh
 

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developing from the very 50s when uh
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Grace Hopper who built the first
 

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Grace Hopper who built the first
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compiler heard that uh I will never
 

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compiler heard that uh I will never
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trust the code I didn't write myself and
 

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trust the code I didn't write myself and
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yet here we are. We've been continuously
 

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yet here we are. We've been continuously
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increasing levels of abstractions. Now
 

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increasing levels of abstractions. Now
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in order for us to maintain those levels
 

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in order for us to maintain those levels
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of abstractions successfully, we also
 

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of abstractions successfully, we also
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built a set of tools. For example, we
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went to the cloud, we changed our
 

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went to the cloud, we changed our
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observability, we built better
 

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observability, we built better
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automation, right?
 

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automation, right?
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similar uh solution should be applying
 

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similar uh solution should be applying
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to this new level of abstraction where
 

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to this new level of abstraction where
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English is your new coding language and
 

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English is your new coding language and
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stochastic nondeterministic things are
 

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stochastic nondeterministic things are
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your compiler. We need a set of tools
 

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your compiler. We need a set of tools
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and set of approaches to making this
 

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and set of approaches to making this
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abstraction work and and the industry is
 

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abstraction work and and the industry is
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getting there. We see a lot of tools
 

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getting there. We see a lot of tools
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which are AI native which were designed
 

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which are AI native which were designed
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first with AI in mind and especially
 

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first with AI in mind and especially
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when it comes to reliability. The stuff
 

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when it comes to reliability. The stuff
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like specdriven development is now older
 

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like specdriven development is now older
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age and there are tools emerging. There
 

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age and there are tools emerging. There
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is a kirao from Amazon that was GA
 

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is a kirao from Amazon that was GA
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yesterday. There is spec kit by GitHub
 

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yesterday. There is spec kit by GitHub
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that was released couple of months ago
 

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that was released couple of months ago
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and get new features every day. Um the
 

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and get new features every day. Um the
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industry is is starting to realize that
 

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industry is is starting to realize that
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what we need on top of LLMs are those
 

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what we need on top of LLMs are those
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guardrails that will make specdriven
 

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guardrails that will make specdriven
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development, reliable development,
 

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development, reliable development,
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intent in integrity chain and we see
 

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intent in integrity chain and we see
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those tools emerging. This is very
 

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those tools emerging. This is very
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exciting
 

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and it's also predictable. Uh you know
 

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and it's also predictable. Uh you know
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for better or for worse Gardner cur
 

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for better or for worse Gardner cur
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coined the the curve and we we moving
 

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coined the the curve and we we moving
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from a peak of excitement and eventually
 

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from a peak of excitement and eventually
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we'll end up in the valley of despair or
 

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we'll end up in the valley of despair or
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this is where a lot of industry right
 

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this is where a lot of industry right
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now
 

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now
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or the tr of disillusionment and soon
 

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or the tr of disillusionment and soon
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we'll like any other cycle in our
 

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we'll like any other cycle in our
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industry we'll reach that plateau of
 

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industry we'll reach that plateau of
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productivity.
 

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productivity.
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Yep. Yeah. And this is what's starting
 

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Yep. Yeah. And this is what's starting
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to emerge.
 

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to emerge.
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Yep.
 

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Simple answer. No idea. like as as
 

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Simple answer. No idea. like as as
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unpredictable as it can be. We can look
 

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unpredictable as it can be. We can look
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at the changes in the last 6 months, 9
 

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at the changes in the last 6 months, 9
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months, couple of years and none of us I
 

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months, couple of years and none of us I
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think can honestly say I saw that
 

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think can honestly say I saw that
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coming.
 

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But I think we should talk we can talk
 

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But I think we should talk we can talk
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about the elements that the stack will
 

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about the elements that the stack will
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contain.
 

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contain.
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Oh yeah,
 

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Oh yeah,
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predictability and reliability because
 

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predictability and reliability because
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at the end of the day we're trying to
 

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at the end of the day we're trying to
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drive business processes and business
 

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drive business processes and business
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outcomes with this and unreliable
 

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outcomes with this and unreliable
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unpredictable businesses don't survive.
 

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unpredictable businesses don't survive.
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A better integration between different
 

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A better integration between different
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teams in the organization like for
 

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teams in the organization like for
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example LLM makes the communication
 

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example LLM makes the communication
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between developers and business people
 

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between developers and business people
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and product people much more effective.
 

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and product people much more effective.
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We will see a lot of that because that
 

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We will see a lot of that because that
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benefits everybody and at the end of the
 

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benefits everybody and at the end of the
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day like with any other abstraction
 

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day like with any other abstraction
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layer we added in our industry more
 

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layer we added in our industry more
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software gets written time and time
 

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software gets written time and time
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again. So we don't know how the stack is
 

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again. So we don't know how the stack is
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going to look but we believe that those
 

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going to look but we believe that those
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are the key elements that the stack
 

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are the key elements that the stack
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would have to satisfy to stay successful
 

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would have to satisfy to stay successful
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in this space.
 

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in this space.
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Will we see uh stuff like uh um what is
 

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Will we see uh stuff like uh um what is
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called IGI and universal income for
 

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called IGI and universal income for
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everybody and everybody not working
 

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everybody and everybody not working
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because AI does all the job. Uh probably
 

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because AI does all the job. Uh probably
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who knows probably not but who knows we
 

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who knows probably not but who knows we
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will be pleasantly surprised if that
 

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will be pleasantly surprised if that
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