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tempura you want me to stop no no just
 

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tempura you want me to stop no no just
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say I'm tempura and head of
 

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say I'm tempura and head of
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infrastructure engineering of rice and
 

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infrastructure engineering of rice and
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labs and yeah for us I think it's um
 

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labs and yeah for us I think it's um
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it's really a product of our scale and
 

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it's really a product of our scale and
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it's really the number of people we have
 

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it's really the number of people we have
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an issue with an Conway's law
 

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an issue with an Conway's law
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essentially so different organizations
 

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essentially so different organizations
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doing different things so trying to be I
 

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doing different things so trying to be I
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guess unified about what we do and how
 

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guess unified about what we do and how
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we do it and provide some consistency
 

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we do it and provide some consistency
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for the groups particularly for me my
 

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for the groups particularly for me my
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customers are our internal developers so
 

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customers are our internal developers so
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yeah so by and large our job is to try
 

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yeah so by and large our job is to try
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and make them successful doing whatever
 

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and make them successful doing whatever
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so I think um I think some of the bigger
 

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so I think um I think some of the bigger
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problems people often think about
 

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problems people often think about
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requests per second and other technical
 

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aspects of scaling and I think for us
 

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the bigger problem tends to be social
 

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the bigger problem tends to be social
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and tends to be dealing with the
 

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developers on and how the organization
 

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is structured and how we can use
 

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is structured and how we can use
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infrastructure engineering make the rest
 

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infrastructure engineering make the rest
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of the team successful so by and large I
 

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of the team successful so by and large I
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doing things even though it's a changed
 

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process and the process often it's
 

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some of the bigger challenges as you
 

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organization like ours and so I think
 

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organization like ours and so I think
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some other people are perhaps doing
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aspects as they mature as they mature
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over time you know we will continue to
 

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over time you know we will continue to
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harden and do the things that we do the
 

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harden and do the things that we do the
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systems but from again from sort of a
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social scale perspective I think you
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know our company is not getting smaller
 

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know our company is not getting smaller
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so you know I think those things will
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continue to continue to present some of
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the trickiest challenges as you define
 

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the trickiest challenges as you define
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you know process and procedures around
 

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you know process and procedures around
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you know new more distributed systems
 

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you know new more distributed systems
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